The Truth About Leading When No One’s Watching with Mickey Seelye

In this moving conversation on TimTalks, Tim Cox sits down with Mickey Seelye, President & CEO of Seelye Auto Group in Kalamazoo, Michigan—a third-generation dealer whose leadership begins and ends with faith.

Mickey shares how he rebuilt his family business from the inside out: valuing people over profit, choosing culture over convenience, and insisting that his faith be part of every decision he makes. This is a story about courage, conviction, and the quiet power of consistency—the kind of leadership that transforms both workplaces and lives.

00:00 – The Seelye legacy and the roots of a family-run dealership.

02:15 – Growing up in the showroom and learning every job in the building.

04:03 – “There’s no way I could do it without them.” Mickey on valuing his team.

05:34 – Meeting Stan—the faith-filled friendship that changed everything.

07:12 – The promise to lead differently, even when others said it couldn’t be done.

11:02 – When Forbes called—and why Mickey refused to leave faith out of the story.

13:18 – “If He’s first in my life, that means He’s first in business.”

17:40 – Consistency: the hidden ingredient in great leadership.

20:13 – “We hire for attitude, then train for skill.” Culture before talent.

25:01 – Starting with people—how to rebuild a broken culture from the ground up.

28:19 – Grace, hope, and leading a life that points back to purpose.

Connect with Mickey Seelye: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mickeyseelye/

Connect with Tim Cox: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tim-cox-29065a7/

Listen to more episodes of TimTalks: https://www.carnow.com/timtalks/

Transcript

00:00:00:25 - 00:00:40:18
Unknown
In over three decades, I have learned that truly great car dealerships are only great because of one thing leadership. So I'm sitting down with the great men and women inspiring automotive on Tim Talks automotive leadership and beyond. Welcome everyone to yet another episode of Tim Talks Leadership and Beyond. We are giving you a incredible guest today. I know that I talk, look, there's a lot of amazing people in this space, and, I have had the privilege of getting to know Mickey Seeley over the last several years.

00:00:40:18 - 00:01:04:22
Unknown
And, not only be partners, obviously, we have the privilege to serve him, with our company, but just an incredible human. And, I can't wait to you get to see him. A lot of you probably know him, but, with that, I would like to welcome Mickey Seeley. President, CEO, owner. Any other title I can throw in there?

00:01:04:22 - 00:01:26:27
Unknown
Mickey of the Seeley Automotive Group in Kalamazoo, Michigan. Mickey, thank you so much, brother, and welcome to Tim Talks. Thanks for having me. I'm honored to be here, Tim. Appreciate it. Yeah, brother, let's just give a little story. I mean, a lot of people don't see what I get to see. A lot of people, and I know, obviously, you know, a lot of people, let's just start here.

00:01:26:28 - 00:01:54:15
Unknown
I mean, Mickey was. And Mickey, you know, one of the. And we'll unpack this a little bit. One of the great things about him, that is the biggest attribute that we talk about in here is and people that have this don't like to talk about this, and that's humility. Mickey also was featured in a little magazine that you may or may not have heard of, called Forbes magazine.

00:01:54:15 - 00:02:14:08
Unknown
And they did an article, on him and his how he gives back in his him as an entrepreneur and what he does. And I think it's really cool what he made sure that they added in there. So let's just let's just unpack that, give a little bit of background, Mickey, about how you got in the car business.

00:02:14:11 - 00:02:34:29
Unknown
What you guys do and maybe your brands. And let's just start there so people get to know you. The people that don't know you. Yeah. So Sealy Auto Group was founded by my grandfather 63 years ago. It started in Kalamazoo, Michigan, at a Ford dealership at that time, it was Don Sealy, Ford. And, so it's I've lived it my whole life.

00:02:34:29 - 00:02:54:05
Unknown
I mean, it's really I kind of feel like sometimes, you know, when you make that comments all I know that probably people take that in the right context. I've had other jobs. I've done other things, but, I don't feel like I know anything, like I know the car business. It's it's just something that's. It's in my DNA.

00:02:54:08 - 00:03:16:14
Unknown
I've been working here since I was 12 years old, in some capacity. And, you know, let's just put it bluntly, I've spent more time here and more and more hours of my life here than anywhere else. And, you know, in my current role as president, I've, that's fairly new. I've only been doing that for about four years.

00:03:16:16 - 00:03:37:16
Unknown
And, you know, right now we're in a, we're in a growth stage, and it's and it's been a lot of fun, but it's also been a lot of work and, sometimes not the fun stuff. So, you know, my, my dad and my uncle had had their, had their turn to run it kind of when I was a kid growing up, my grandfather handed over the reins to them.

00:03:37:16 - 00:04:01:00
Unknown
And so they were president, vice president for, for quite a few years. And, I don't have any brothers. I have two younger sisters who aren't in the industry. And, as Tim knows, just some really good people that work with me that I've been I'm tremendously blessed to have, not just false humility. Like, there's no way I could do without them.

00:04:01:03 - 00:04:29:04
Unknown
You know, there's there's certain things that I'm really good at, but they fill the gaps in a lot of ways. The stuff that if I didn't have them, there's no way this place would tick like it does. And I know it. And because I know it, I try to treat them great, you know, and and, you know, just try to treat them with, with the respect they deserve and, and, you know, with compensation, with time off and making sure that I'm valuing them as humans, you know, with their families and their friends and, and, you know, really just trying to honor them with how much they helped me and make this

00:04:29:04 - 00:04:53:06
Unknown
place great. Now that's amazing. Mickey and I want to unpack. Let's talk about Stan a little bit. I mean, Stan is is your your right arm? You know, you talk about not being able to. Do you know, what you do? I know, I know my buddy Patrick has Michael, and, you know, it's incredibly, what is the word I'm looking for?

00:04:53:06 - 00:05:11:11
Unknown
I mean, it's I don't say it's unique, but it's so helpful when you have somebody like that that you can that you can pour into and that you can actually, you know, I'm an entrepreneur, you're an entrepreneur. And sometimes, you know, you can leave the store and leave the keys and feel that it's okay with with what's there.

00:05:11:11 - 00:05:34:00
Unknown
So, so how did you I mean, how long have and maybe I should know this, but how long has Stan been with you? And how did you find him? Yeah. So, Stan, when I was selling cars here, this would have been. I'm going to. I'm going to be slightly off on this. Probably, but I'm gonna say around, like, 15, 16 years ago, I would have been selling out of our old used car building in, in Kalamazoo.

00:05:34:02 - 00:05:49:20
Unknown
And he had come across the street from, Zeigler Auto Group at that time. And actually, they're still there. So he he had come across the street from Zeigler. They're a good dealership. They're a good auto group here in Michigan based on a Michigan. And so he he had talent and he had a good structure from over there.

00:05:49:20 - 00:06:10:00
Unknown
They taught him processes. And and he was one of the best salespeople, in my opinion, in the, in the building at that time. And, and really, what drew us to each other quickly had nothing to do with the car business and, and talent and being able to, to perform it was his I could see that it was his raw and genuine Christian faith.

00:06:10:03 - 00:06:30:05
Unknown
And quite honestly, at that time in this place, I was a Christian here, very lonely. I mean, there weren't a whole lot of other people in Christian faith. I felt like an outcast. A lot of times I felt like, an outsider a little bit, and, and it was hard to have conversations. I try to witness the people.

00:06:30:05 - 00:06:48:00
Unknown
I try my best to, you know, not judge the people that were that I was working with. And but it just was difficult at times to be able to have real conversations and, that's what initially drew us to each other, was our faith. And we could both take off that. It was real. We both had families.

00:06:48:00 - 00:07:11:01
Unknown
We both had young families. There were just so many things in common that we had instant bonds around. And then we just happened to work in the car business and, and quite frankly, in those years, we were both of the belief system that the business needed to change, that there were a lot of things about the business that we didn't like.

00:07:11:03 - 00:07:27:19
Unknown
And there were some things about them we did like, obviously, but, there are some things about the business that we felt like didn't need to be the way that it was and that we were confident in our ability if we ever had a chance to, to lead and be in a leadership position, that we were committed to doing that.

00:07:27:19 - 00:07:54:18
Unknown
And, and so at that time in my life, I wasn't ready to take that step yet. Nor was Stan, but, we kind of made that agreement, like, hey, if we if we're here, and then that door ever opens. If Guy were to ever open that door, let's do this. Right. Let's let's make some changes and do the things that we believe in, even as every single naysayer out there says that it can't be done and disagrees with that.

00:07:54:18 - 00:08:21:02
Unknown
We we just knew that there's some point we felt like we were going to be called to something big that way. And, and, yeah. So that's the starting point of our relationship. And, it's been a good ride. He's been my best friend. He's been the closest thing to a brother that I could ever ask for. And, to your point, Tim, earlier, there's full trust there, which is the biggest thing.

00:08:21:02 - 00:08:38:12
Unknown
So I know that if I can't be in a certain place and he can, he's going to run it a certain way. And I have no I have nothing to be concerned with. Yeah, he's going to run it the way that, that, that we've committed to. And so it's just nice. And he's not it's not limited to just him.

00:08:38:12 - 00:09:07:21
Unknown
I have a ton of employees I can say the same thing about. We have a really strong culture here. We value culture and we got a lot of flaws, too. I mean, like, there's that obviously. Right? Everybody. Everybody does. But, man, when you got trusted people and you got a strong culture, and when you believe in certain things a certain way, I'm gonna say when you have a high belief system in what you're doing, it can really cover up a lot of those flaws when they happen while you're in the process of getting them corrected.

00:09:07:23 - 00:09:31:01
Unknown
But let's talk about that a little bit. Like like you are, growing. You just added a new point. Correct? We did. Yes. Yes, it's a new point. You're not stagnant. You're wanting to grow. You're wanting you're involved in the community. Let's talk about that. You know, in the in the spirit of leadership, like you've got an incredible, I don't even know if you'd call him a number two.

00:09:31:02 - 00:09:55:06
Unknown
You know, I've been called a number two, you know, before in my life. And it wasn't derogatory. I was like, let's go. But, I mean, you've got an incredible partner, let's say. But, you know, how do you, And I met some of the people, you know, through the car church on Wednesday that we talk about that that come in your office and listen and and but how do you balance, you know, faith in my faith.

00:09:55:06 - 00:10:16:08
Unknown
We've never wavered. I'm not worried about mentioning that and being hopefully known for that. I will tell you that when you do proclaim that people watch you, and unfortunately watch you hoping you mess up. I hate to say it, and I'm hoping that, oh, you know, he's like. And by the way, we're all flawed. We all have issues like, everybody's got issues.

00:10:16:08 - 00:10:39:28
Unknown
There's no there was only one person that was perfect. But how do you balance a such strong faith and lead? That way. And you and stand lead that way and bringing people in, creating people talk about culture, but how do you do that and balance it in a world that that's not necessarily politically correct? How do you take a stand?

00:10:39:28 - 00:11:01:03
Unknown
In fact, let's even unpack. Let's go before we do that, I'm having it at the moment, but I mentioned earlier in the intro that that Forbes magazine reached out to you and wanted to do an article. Can we can we talk about that a little bit and then we can talk about, you know, how important your faith was and then and then you know, what you wanted to make sure that they put in the article.

00:11:01:03 - 00:11:27:09
Unknown
How did before we get into the the other question, how did that come about? And then, you know, what were some of the questions that they were asking? And just just take it from there. Yeah. I'm so glad you asked that question. And I really appreciate that. So, you know, listen, when I first took this place over about 12 years ago, I didn't take this place over with a goal in mind of being a Forbes magazine.

00:11:27:09 - 00:11:48:03
Unknown
Like that was is something that was never on my radar. At that particular time, I felt like I had a calling in my life. I felt like it was the right time. I felt like God had got me to a point in my life at that time where I was ready, where I was ready to do some things that required courage and required some boldness.

00:11:48:06 - 00:12:10:27
Unknown
And, I also at that point had really committed my life to, following the Lord. And so I had a different kind of confidence level because of that, because my relationship with the Lord, was established and it was real. And, and I had been through some things in life, like everybody has that point where it was different when he was in my life.

00:12:11:00 - 00:12:35:03
Unknown
And, not to say that things were always easier necessarily, but things were different when I, when I went through the trials and the storms and so, I guess at that point it was pretty clear to me what he showed me as far as how to do it. There was no there was no confusing the message that that, or the vision that he gave me.

00:12:35:03 - 00:12:57:14
Unknown
So that was nice, right? That was nice that it was that clear. I knew that if he's first in my life, that means he's first in business. And, And that wasn't foggy to me at the time. And so really going into a situation where I had limited experience with certain things, I didn't know a lot.

00:12:57:17 - 00:13:17:21
Unknown
I felt great about it, I really did. I felt a confidence, from him that that, intuitive. They say ignorance is bliss. Maybe there's a little bit of ignorance in that, but, maybe he blinded me to stuff that he needed to blind me to. But, it was just very clear to me that it was worth going through that what we would have to go through.

00:13:17:21 - 00:13:37:23
Unknown
It wasn't easy. It was doing it a different way. But those are non-negotiable. You know, when you're following the Lord and when you have a real relationship with him, I just believe you have to be willing to walk away from things. If it's if it doesn't fit his vision and his will for your life. And so I was at peace with that.

00:13:37:25 - 00:14:00:03
Unknown
I was at peace. And if it didn't work, then I was then this wasn't supposed to happen. I was supposed to be doing something else. And I'm real big on this. My purpose and my value and my worth is not being president of celiac Group. It never will be. That would be selling me short term would be selling God short.

00:14:00:06 - 00:14:18:27
Unknown
My purpose is much greater than that. Tim. Your purpose is much greater than that. And we've had those conversations, right? No matter where I am and no matter what I do for a living, for me in any environment, and I'm going to have impact and influence to change others lives because of Jesus and how he's changed my life.

00:14:18:29 - 00:14:37:23
Unknown
That's first. That's my purpose. And if that means that I can use that as the president of the order group and use it well, right. The awesome. That's what that's what I'm going to do. But there's going to be a day in my life where I'm not the president of Sealy out of group more than like me. And I'm still going to have tremendous purpose that.

00:14:37:23 - 00:15:02:24
Unknown
So when four is reached out to me, I'll get back to that question. Sorry, I, I should answer the question. It was important to me that this is the force reaching out to me. Out? I want them to know about my faith, because that's why I'm here. And that's a big part of this. And so that was another nonnegotiable, non-negotiable to me.

00:15:02:27 - 00:15:19:13
Unknown
As cool as I thought it was to be in Forbes, it it didn't seem like it was cool. If they weren't going to allow me to put that part into it. And quite honestly, then it would have just been about my glory. Oh, look at me. I'm in Forbes magazine with God, who show this to me many years ago.

00:15:19:13 - 00:15:46:27
Unknown
Any plan for me gives me any opportunity or door that he opens up for me is to glorify him. It's for his praise, glory and honor. Anything outside of that? It's for my and and it can be a thin line sometimes. And, I've been in a place in my life, Tim. I'm not going to lie about it, where getting certain recognition or having somebody reach out to me some Forbes, I would have thought I was the, you know, the best thing in the world, best thing since sliced bread.

00:15:46:27 - 00:16:05:15
Unknown
Right? And I would have thought that that was the cool part of it. Right? The cool part of it was that I knew that something like that came from God is an opportunity to share with people my faith that maybe needed to hear it, it this opportunity, this platform, is because of him and through him. It's not possible without him.

00:16:05:15 - 00:16:23:24
Unknown
And I know it and and I'm sure of it. And so to me, the rest of my life, anytime I have a platform, I'm going to do the best that I can. I'm going to try so hard to make sure that people know anything good that you see in me is Jesus. He's changed me. He's he's changed my life.

00:16:23:27 - 00:16:47:04
Unknown
He can change yours. And I'm going to do everything I can to use those platforms as well as I can. Now that's amazing. And taking those types of principles, how do you use that? This is, you know, being a leadership podcast. You know, you just spoke of the greatest leader that ever lived, you know, how do we how do we do the day to day?

00:16:47:04 - 00:17:11:29
Unknown
How do we, you know, picking your people? How do you in a in a world where everything's not always perfect, in a world where there's upset customers and service, in a world where people are angry on the showroom floor, it happens and every. So how do you lead that way? And I think I have an idea, but but share with our listeners like what are some things that might be different again, we've said it in here hundreds of times at this point.

00:17:11:29 - 00:17:38:23
Unknown
You know, culture is a word that's thrown around a lot. And then you talk to specific people that have worked for these particular dealers that profess to have great culture and come back. Yeah. And people first, our experience is great. And you talk to people, I'm like, whoa, they're a completely different person. I know that's not the case here, but as far as leadership, you know, how do you day to day knowing what your faith is, making sure that you lead that way.

00:17:38:23 - 00:18:12:25
Unknown
And when people come into you're like, what do you do? Is there a secret sauce? Like, how do you pour into your people on a daily basis to make sure that culture does not change? That's a great question. I think something comes to mind immediately is consistency. I feel like people are looking for consistency in leadership. You know, I tend to me, I heard you say something earlier, in the conversation where, and it's true by the way, that when we when we put our faith out there, people are looking right.

00:18:12:25 - 00:18:36:00
Unknown
People are looking for me to trip off or whoever it is to trip up and and we know that's a real thing. Right. And so knowing that's a real thing actually love it. I actually love the accountability that comes with that. And so, that holds me to a higher standard that, that I embrace and fall short of.

00:18:36:00 - 00:18:59:13
Unknown
Right. Like we all have. And there's been there's been days where I failed that miserably. But, but I can at least recognize that that I failed miserably. And the other thing, too, is the humility part of that is that, and I've done this with my son as a dad, and I've been in these conversations with team members when I failed is tell them that you failed.

00:18:59:16 - 00:19:19:29
Unknown
Come clean to them. Don't try to cover something like that up. Take ownership of it, immediately. And, and in the times that that I have failed people that way where I was like, man, I, I didn't represent myself the way that I should have, I've always tried to reflect and that I pray a lot. I pray for God to show me things sometimes that I can't see myself.

00:19:20:02 - 00:19:40:20
Unknown
It can be tough on your leadership because a lot of people are telling you the things you want to hear all the time, but that's not always the the full picture. Right. And and then to let's be real, like when you're the boss, not a whole lot of people are telling you the things you're doing wrong. But then when you talk to God, he will, he will, he will show you those things.

00:19:40:20 - 00:20:12:13
Unknown
And because he loves you that much, because he knows the intent of my heart, my spirit, because I want to know for the right reasons. And so, but, you know, consistency is big. I think consistency in spending time with people, getting to know them, training, the things that we're talking about, developing other leaders. And the other thing too, is this being very, very picking intentional with the right fit and how we hire, how, you know, what resources we use as far as bringing in new team members.

00:20:12:13 - 00:20:35:24
Unknown
And we really try to promote from within. That's our rule. We try to that is our culture. So if it's somebody up for a management position, we always look internally first every time doesn't mean it always goes that way when we have to hire from the outside, we're hiring for attitude and then we're training for skill, right?

00:20:35:26 - 00:21:06:07
Unknown
The attitude and the culture, stuff like right, the right fit, the leadership ability that supersedes the skill. And they usually do go hand in hand. But in the currency, to me, this stuff isn't rocket science. It isn't easy either. But at the same time, we feel like we feel confident in our ability to train for skill. But if you don't have the right attitude and you don't have the right mindset and you don't fit our culture naturally, that's going to be a glaring problem at some point.

00:21:06:07 - 00:21:34:04
Unknown
That training can't overcome. Now that's huge. That's huge. It will unpack a little bit of that, as we start to wind down a little bit. But but unpack a little bit. What are those other avenues when you look for those type of people? You know, you said, you know, not maybe not a normal hiring process. What are some of the things that you do there to make sure they're, you know, going to fit what what you guys have built in the culture that you've built and what you continue to maintain.

00:21:34:06 - 00:21:55:10
Unknown
Yeah. Great question. Again, we've got we've got a good we've got a good program internally here. Sealy, our group, where we have a nice compensation plan that makes it attractive to our employees to bring us people that they know. And that's in all areas of the dealership. You know, it's one thing with the compensation, there's no doubt that that helps.

00:21:55:13 - 00:22:14:01
Unknown
I think most people, though, they they would do it with if I didn't pay them a dime, if they love working for this place and that's genuine, they're talking about it. They're talking about it with their family and friends. You know, when they see birds of a feather flock together? Most people are in certain communities, environments where they know other people that have similar interests and do similar things.

00:22:14:01 - 00:22:33:20
Unknown
So, you know, a lot of our external, team members come from people that are here internally. And that that's really the bulk of them. That's the majority of them. You know, I'm not against Indy necessarily, or some of those other, you know, sites that we can use, you know, to, to, to get talent to attract talent.

00:22:33:22 - 00:22:55:23
Unknown
They there's no doubt that we've gotten some great team members over the years from them. So I try to stay open to all of them. But our, our process as far as interviewing has got much more granular. It has has gotten much more intentional as far as the people that are involved in it and the steps that we go through upfront to to really, truly try to eliminate upfront.

00:22:55:23 - 00:23:18:22
Unknown
Right. Like just go listen, it's okay. This just isn't the right fit. And that's okay. We use a better fit for you somewhere else. And try and try to, you know, save time that way and really get down to the nitty gritty of people that we think this is the right fit. And a lot of times that doesn't look that way on paper, like if you're looking at a resume, but, there's there's more to it than that.

00:23:18:22 - 00:23:42:27
Unknown
And so, you know, a lot of our hires for certain leadership positions, again, have been internal. They've been people that we've promoted from within. And some of the other ones have been choices that, quite frankly, most people smart people like to see would be like, you're crazy for hiring that person. But it works for us just because, you know, we're trying our best to go.

00:23:42:27 - 00:24:03:25
Unknown
You know what? Again, we're going culture first and we're going to commit to that. And it's hard to do because sometimes you just look at and you go, we need talent here, right? But we've just had to learn some hard lessons Tim, over the years, that talent can only take you so far. And quite frankly, there's a lot of talented people out there.

00:24:03:27 - 00:24:32:10
Unknown
But, we put our culture first. We've committed to that. And so we've made a lot of decisions with that amount. And for the most part, it's worked pretty well. What would you tell a new GM, new GSM that is trying to maybe the store's got a really bad reputation, or maybe it's not had good leadership. You know, that's why we did this podcast because there is a single thread common denominator with great organizations.

00:24:32:10 - 00:25:00:20
Unknown
And that's one word leadership. What would you tell that person sitting in a new chair tasked with rebuilding a store to build that type of culture? Where do you start if you were to speak into him or. Yeah, I'm going to speak from where? From where I started personally 12 years ago when I took over a broken culture.

00:25:00:22 - 00:25:23:14
Unknown
I'm going to start with talking to the employees that that's that's my starting point. I want to I want to talk to people. I want to ask a lot of questions. I want to I want to see how it got to that point. I also want to see that sometimes you can't see this. And so it requires you to really dig a little deeper, even in a broken culture and even with a broken processes and a place, it's not performing the way that it should.

00:25:23:21 - 00:25:49:04
Unknown
There's still good things in there, but you got to find it. So I want to know what the good stuff is too. And finding all of it. But really just starting with the people, getting to know them on a personal level, trying to figure out why they stayed some of the reasons for staying in a jacked up culture, you know, making them understand with full transparency that things are changing.

00:25:49:06 - 00:26:09:28
Unknown
Being honest about that and seeing how they feel about that, you know, just giving them a clean slate and saying, listen, I want you to be here. We think that's the right thing to do is to give you a chance to be here. But we will not sugarcoat and we will not hold back in honesty in what we're doing.

00:26:09:28 - 00:26:32:06
Unknown
And it's going to be very different than what you're used to. And for a lot of people, it doesn't work. What do you think? And then quite frankly, people most of the time they answer you honestly. Right. Like in that situation, Tim, I had people just quit right there and they said, you strike me as a guy that you mean what you say, you're going to make me really uncomfortable.

00:26:32:08 - 00:26:48:16
Unknown
I'm out. And I shook their hand and thanked them and said, thank you for being honest. That actually took some courage and I wish you the best. And and that happened, you know, sometimes it's a natural weeding, weeding out process that way. But now I just really want to start with, like, how did this place get to this point?

00:26:48:16 - 00:27:08:03
Unknown
So I can so I can know the first steps of how I'm going to get us out of this. And then and that's when standards come in. And after that, like, like really making sure that, you know, again that consistency in your leadership, like your yeses are yeses. Your nose, your nose. You commit to what you say consistently with actions.

00:27:08:09 - 00:27:30:10
Unknown
You don't deviate, because people are looking for you to, and once they once they learn that, okay, this guy is going to stick to what he said, things are different. I am going to be held accountable every day. It will naturally take care of itself. Either people will thrive in that that have never thrived before, and they'll love it.

00:27:30:12 - 00:27:59:14
Unknown
And that's part of the deal that that was definitely part of the deal for us, or other people will realize they'll get to a point where they're okay, I'm going to get exposed, right? Like I'm going to get exposed at some point. I can't hide anymore. And, and it'll take care of itself that way. But, you know, ever since I've been following God, God has shown me in my life to to hold high standards, to believe that amazing things are possible, that it's not always going to be gravy.

00:27:59:14 - 00:28:18:21
Unknown
We're not always going to win. It's not always going to be what you want it to be, but to have a high belief system that amazing things are possible and that and that we have a direct influence and impact as leaders in the lives of others around us to get people that maybe don't understand that and don't believe that to a point in their life where we can change their lives.

00:28:18:24 - 00:28:47:13
Unknown
That's amazing. Mickey. And I think, you know, it's so important because I know for a fact that you, as the owner of the dealership and the president of the entire group, you know, having, excuse me, those one on one conversations with, and again, ladies and gentlemen, lean in a little bit. Success leaves clues. That is, one on one conversations with your people make a big difference.

00:28:47:15 - 00:29:05:15
Unknown
Make you. I'm so thankful for the few minutes. We'll have to have you back as a guest. We went a little heavy on the faith today. And, those of you that know me, you know, I don't hide from it. I know, I know, you know, I, I guess that's the best word. I don't hide from it.

00:29:05:15 - 00:29:21:18
Unknown
And I know that the beautiful thing about what we're trying to tell you today is we have a lot of people. There's a lot of people. Friends of mine, dear friends of mine that don't have the same faith as I do. And I love them. There's a lot of people that, this this is a tough one for some people.

00:29:21:18 - 00:29:44:14
Unknown
There's a lot of people that don't vote like I do. And guess what? I love them. And, you know, I mean, seriously, I think that, you know, arguing and getting angry and just because someone doesn't think like you or talk like you or or have the same faith that you do, I'll land the plane here. You know, the one apologetic, I guess, or the reason that we can debate a lot of things.

00:29:44:16 - 00:30:08:11
Unknown
But the one thing that you will never be able to and I'm putting on thick here a little bit, but the one thing you're never going to debate with me is, since I accepted Christ in my life, I have never been the same. I'm not the same dude. It's a completely different outlook on life. Mickey's telling you the same thing doesn't mean you know I fail daily.

00:30:08:11 - 00:30:34:18
Unknown
We fail daily. Mickey fails daily. But, just wanted to share that with with people I know. There's people listening. I just want to encourage you to lean in, into deeper, lean in to what really, life is about. And what an incredible life it will be, based on you all. And since we, you know, we had the faith themed today, I'll give you two verses and we'll land the plane.

00:30:34:18 - 00:30:53:00
Unknown
One two of my favorite verses, John 1633. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart. I have overcome the world. Ladies and gentlemen, I don't know what you're going through right now. I don't know what pain. I don't know if it's divorce. I don't know if it's death. I don't know if it's sickness. But there's hope because he overcame the world.

00:30:53:03 - 00:31:17:16
Unknown
And then Ephesians three 2322 says to him, that's like Mickey said before to him who is able to do immeasurably more? My Kentucky dictionary says immeasurably means you can't measure it immeasurably more than all you could hope or ask for a little hillbilly boy from Kentucky founding a software company that's done pretty well. There's no chance. There's no chance it is him.

00:31:17:16 - 00:31:37:25
Unknown
It is all him. And I just want to just encourage you today, no matter what you're thinking about, no matter what you're going through, there is hope, there is grace. And you can do immeasurably more than anything. You could even dream. Mickey, thank you so much for your time, ladies and gentlemen. It's been a little different podcast today, but this has been on my heart.

00:31:37:26 - 00:32:01:22
Unknown
I know Mickey is the real deal, and I know we're both flawed humans, and I know we we mess up every day. But that's the most incredible thing about Grace. It is it's free and it is new every single day. Mickey, thank you. And thank you for tuning in and listening, and we will see you next time. As we always say on Tim Talks, no one is smarter than everyone.

00:32:01:25 - 00:32:14:06
Unknown
We will just keep continuing to get better together. We'll see you next time. Bye bye.

00:32:14:08 - 00:32:15:08
Unknown
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